Grime / Dubstep

[Magnetic]

what's a dubstep pattern

[haploid]

The drum patterns. Even though there is a breakbeat slamming away, the kick and snare are still very much dubstep and the tempo, 75bpm (I can't write well at half time 140), is only slightly faster than most dubstep.

How is dubstep defined? I might be totally off here, but my thinking is: If it's at 140 (if playing at half time) or similar, has a complex percussive rhythms, a few "drops" and a bass-focused melody, it's probably dubstep.

I'm not trying to argue so don't take any of these comments as somehow accusitory, I just really don't know what I should call it. A discussion about the definition of dubstep would probably be benefitial to this thread as well.

[|||]

Haploid your tune is pretty tough to classify but in my opinion it sounds closest to "Trip Hop". I could totally see this on Ninja Tune, at least the first half anyways.

Dubstep in itself is pretty tough to describe as there are so many different styles but the one thing that ties them all together is the syncopated groove that the kick and snare define.

Check out this vid, not sure what you're using (guessing fruity loops) but he's using Acid (lol). Regardless Rusko is the man and the main talking points pretty much apply to all styles of dubstep

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[|||]

Forgot there were 4 parts to the tutorial, you should be able to find them all on the youtube.

[broken_dubz]

i think theres also one with benga.

i saw in one of those dj magazines an article on how to produce dubstep, but this was about 2 years ago.

i wouldn't take lessons from rusko, guy is destroying dubstep

[Magnetic]

i fucking hate that twat

[|||]

really now...

[yea!]

yes.


the benga one is wicked. futuremusic mag i think.

[jack napier]

agree w/ the fuck rusko sentiment
aside from fabriclive 37, which is still tits. mebbe b/c of caspa...

[Magnetic]

forgot i still had jme shit, i was on that boy better know hype like mad haha

shu huuuuuuuuut yah muh

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for the badboys init :D

[Double D]

Saw Shackleton live last night, fucking smashed it.

haploid - re: what is/isn't dubstep... there's a whole lot of things, but I think one of the most important things that sets dubstep apart from similar genres is it's referencing of it's predecessors - grime derived bass, uk garage vocal hooks, swingy double tempo hihats. It's definitely more complex than 'half tempo and mega reverb'. To be honest I'm cynical as to whether a lot of 'dubstep' should even be termed so... 2562 seems to spend more time referencing old FSOL records than London garage, for example.

Also 75bpm might not seem that different a tempo to dubstep, but when you double it up you're clocking at 150, which is waaaay fast.

[Double D]

What would you call it? There is a lot of percussion, but if you listen closely it's mostly dubstep-type patterns, but as usual the track develops a mind of its own so I guess the dubstepness got lost in translation.
Rhythm and choice of timbres are much more idiomatic of trip hop than dubstep to be honest. As said before there's way too many ideas going on at once, and the hihats get really messy. Probably just need to lose that breakbeat over the top I think.

[a2b489]

as dubstep gets more popular, a TON of generic dance music is taking dubstep-esque choices in tones, percussion, etc. it's really funny to hear my friends be like "check out this tight dubstep joint!" and i'm like "bro, just because it has wobbly bass doesn't mean it's dubstep"

[goat]

new Pangaea

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[IanFM]

Saw Shackleton live last night, fucking smashed it.

haploid - re: what is/isn't dubstep... there's a whole lot of things, but I think one of the most important things that sets dubstep apart from similar genres is it's referencing of it's predecessors - grime derived bass, uk garage vocal hooks, swingy double tempo hihats. It's definitely more complex than 'half tempo and mega reverb'. To be honest I'm cynical as to whether a lot of 'dubstep' should even be termed so... 2562 seems to spend more time referencing old FSOL records than London garage, for example.

Also 75bpm might not seem that different a tempo to dubstep, but when you double it up you're clocking at 150, which is waaaay fast.

Honestly tempo gets really twisted by the producer anyway, a bunch of the Instra:mental stuff is that tempo but doesn't feel like it, Loefah has a bunch of 145 bpm stuff and no one could tell. Then again those are half-step bits.

[haploid]

Saw Shackleton live last night, fucking smashed it.

haploid - re: what is/isn't dubstep... there's a whole lot of things, but I think one of the most important things that sets dubstep apart from similar genres is it's referencing of it's predecessors - grime derived bass, uk garage vocal hooks, swingy double tempo hihats. It's definitely more complex than 'half tempo and mega reverb'. To be honest I'm cynical as to whether a lot of 'dubstep' should even be termed so... 2562 seems to spend more time referencing old FSOL records than London garage, for example.

Also 75bpm might not seem that different a tempo to dubstep, but when you double it up you're clocking at 150, which is waaaay fast.

Thanks for the input,

By the way, the high hats sound so strange because the samples are chopped as if they were going to be played in succession at 100 BPM, so by putting it at 75, I've effectively created an intense triplet-type stutter.

I think I'm just going to continue going where this track wants to take me, and not try to revise it to a more dubstep type composition. But, I'll take what you told me to heart when I next decide to take that route.

[goat]

fuckin killer track

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[derdankhund]

np:

HD4000 - Jekal
Sukh Knight - Diesel not Petrol (Noah D remix)
Noah D - Seeeriousss
Riz MC - Radar (Sukh Knight remix)
16bit - The Tale of the Exploding Fist
Foreign Beggars - Hit that Gash (Itchy Naaan rerub)
Shandy - Doom
Knight Riderz - Hold On
Excision & Datsik - Swagga
Datsik - 3 Fist Style
Zeno - False Alarm

[rockon99]

Anyone know what movie the samples in this are from?
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[Double D]

Thanks for the input,

By the way, the high hats sound so strange because the samples are chopped as if they were going to be played in succession at 100 BPM, so by putting it at 75, I've effectively created an intense triplet-type stutter.

I think I'm just going to continue going where this track wants to take me, and not try to revise it to a more dubstep type composition. But, I'll take what you told me to heart when I next decide to take that route.
Maybea HPF would make it blend better, there's some middley frequencies that are cluttering up the rhythm a bit. Or maybe hard panning the triplets one side and the eighth-notes the other. I dunno, brain is fuzzed from too many cigarettes and coffees to think straight.

[e0d9n0b5]

usually i dont like the wobbly stuff but this is SICK
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FACE GETS SPLAT

[|||]

^------- Ya man, that shit is sick.

Check these out

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[Analog]

Does anyone have an mp3 of this that doesn't skip (~1:27 mark)? All the ones I've found are from the same source – they all skip.

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[yea!]

analog: hyetal (http://www.sendspace.com/file/w0oa3h)


whooa

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[Analog]

analog: hyetal (http://www.sendspace.com/file/w0oa3h)
 
Nice! Thanks yea!

[jizzimmy]

so rusko is playing a free show at this club in town... think i might check it out.

it's a shame my first dubstep show is gonna be rusko at an overhyped club. already know it's not gonna compare to the krush show i went to last sunday.

[jcotteri]

IMO wobble is funny shit.. pretty much a repeat on DNB/breaks about 5 years back..

if you like funny tunez check this guy (http://www.myspace.com/techdiff1) spesh elcolux9.

lol breaks flip

[e0d9n0b5]

yo how did i not hear this until tonight.. not the best jb tune but still, i would have thought i'd have been all over it
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oh well i'm kind of through listening to really experimental stuff right now, completely obsessed with Mumdance and the "global bass" sound.

[yea!]

^ i know, the thought of that track seemed amazing but i was kind of disappointed


this dude is fucking awesome

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via waffles dubstep thread

[broken_dubz]

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[yea!]

soooolid mix on MAH's show this week. untold and dbridge with mixes. there's probably a download link somewhere on the net.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qr18q

[tweeds]

caught Digital Mystikz at the Roundhouse last night, was a 4-way battle with 4 different styles... Metalheadz, Soul II Soul, Trojan were in attendance as well. magnificently played by the dmz guys, some really old school sounds coming out, sat really well whenever it came on the back of Trojan's roots tunes.

put down a few ideas this afternoon, based on an opening theme from a sibelius symphony: SKETCH2 (http://soundcloud.com/tweeds/sketch-2-1)

[yea!]

fuckkkkkkkkk

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[broken_dubz]

fuckkkkkkkkk

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after being dissapointed by the last 2 tracks burial's put out hes back on form. this is ill as ever.

[thorough]

im looking for more rootsy stuff like...

dj primecuts-warning-eddy k remix
tes la rok -darkness falls upon us
babylon system-loaded
l wiz-mojito
MRK1-last drop
rob sparx-independent life
rob sparx messiah dub
soul sinners-soundin off(label dubting)
nevamis-space yardie
cotti-nah go dung deh
the bionics-fiest
dem cant stop we-rogue state

most of this ive found through beatport. any other mp3 retailers you would recommend?or blogs for this kind of stuff?
youtube example. cotti-calm down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY0j10HUQ_o

[Stacks]

One of my favorite new electronic artists just took a dip in the dubsteppy pool, you can DL the whole album (Dubstomp) for free here: http://samples.bandcamp.com/

I'm not a huge fan of straight uk dubstep but this is doin it for me.

His other shit is more banger though, more lazer/dance/crunk type stuff.

[premiumsqueezed]

Did you guys catch this?

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Mount Kimbie & James Blake performing "Maybes" live. Really great. Just imagining all of that bouncing around the church walls...gives me chills.

[yea!]

yes! so great

[broken_dubz]

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[Oxy.]

Just kinda got into dubstep a week or so ago. This was the song that made me interested.

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[domdomdomdom]

pembroke/lock in the lion

[yea!]

kuedo's RA mix is soo good, woww. bolded chunes..

The Creatures – Morning Dawning – Wonderland
Mike Slott – Snow Birds Expansion – LuckyMe
Kuedo – Glow – Planet Mu
Kuedo – Joy Construction – Planet Mu
Krystal Klear – Boogie Wan
Om Unit – Lightgrids – All City Records
Little Dragon – A New (Clay Moon remix) – Peacefrog
Mount Kimbie – At Least (Instra:mental remix) – Hotflush Recordings
Kuedo – Shutter Light Girl – Planet Mu
Kuedo – Shutter Light Girl (Falty DL remix) – Planet Mu
Computer Jay – Maintain (Ikonika remix) – Ramp Recordings
Rudi Zygadlo – Resealable Friendship (Slugabed remix) – Planet Mu
Slugabed – Take Off (Kuedo remix) – Ramp Recordings
Starkey – Ok Luv (Instrumental) – Planet Mu
Kuedo – Starfox – Planet Mu
Zomby – Mercury’s Rainbow
Rudi Zygadlo – Resealable Friendship (Doshy remix) – Planet Mu
Diplo – Boi (Zomby remix)
SDUK – Clunge – Slit Jockey Records
Starkey – Pressure Points – Planet Mu
Sully – In Some Pattern – Keysound Recordings
Ramadanman – Work It
Tiago – Babel Fish – Rush Hour
Low Limit – Trapper Keeper
Loops Haunt – Rubber Sun Grenade – Fortified Audio
Comanechi – Close Enough to Kiss (Ghost Hunter remix) – Merok
Clark – Future Daniel – Warp Records
Alva Noto – Xerrox Phaser Acat 1 – Raster-Noton
Tim Hecker – Harmony in Blue II – Kranky
Mike Slott – The Now – LuckyMe

right click, save as... (http://ra2.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA196_100301_Kuedo_residentadvisor.net.mp3)

[Magnetic]

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yes
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yesssssss

[Eccles]

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[a2b489]

downloading this right now:

http://factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ear-drums-sleeve-article9290202.jpg

stoked.

[tweeds]

BRAINFEEDER sessions at Fabric tomorrow night, can't wait. FlyLo, Nosaj Thing, Daedelus, GLK, Dorian Concept... :)

[jack napier]

that's amazing.
i hear dorian is no longer in, but you get to see dimlite and kode 9, etc. very jealous....

[jack napier]

i'll post this here b/c i don't know where it would fit better



http://92bpm.com/2010/03/secondhand-sureshots-free-preview.html

essentially the adventure of 4 distinguished diggers from Los Angeles, Ras G, Daedelus, Nobody and J-Rocc as we follow them unearthing gems, chopping up samples, with the one goal in mind: a fresh track. They have $5 and a whole afternoon.

worth every minute.

[broken_dubz]

BRAINFEEDER sessions at Fabric tomorrow night, can't wait. FlyLo, Nosaj Thing, Daedelus, GLK, Dorian Concept... :)

jealous. the shit coming from the west coast has so much more potential and sounds way more interesting than the majority of dubstep these days.

i managed to find this whilst in london:

http://factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bflecha-sleeve-3993.jpg

[Magnetic]

Dubstep has gotten boring as hell, but the stuff from the westcoast is no better.

Dillastep+bleeps. I said it.

[domdomdomdom]

well i guess its true hmmm

[broken_dubz]

Dubstep has gotten boring as hell, but the stuff from the westcoast is no better.

Dillastep+bleeps. I said it.

disagree, apart from burials stuff (Which isnt really even dubstep), how many full dubstep albums have actually been good? I say a big fat zero.

FlyLo's 1983 and LA on the other hand were dope beginning to end (personal opinion of course), hes leading the way and doing what i believe to be legitametly different and original.

Its a pity really that the two scenes crossed because now dubstep is shitting up what could have possibly been something completely new.

[Magnetic]

k well, dubstep is more about the 12s, but even so:

The Bug - London Zoo (by far better than both burial albums)
ital tek - Cyclical
Martyn - Great Lengths
Clubroot - Clubroot
Falty DL - Love is a Liability
Neil Landstrumm - Bambaataa Eats His Breakfast / Lord For £39
Silkie - City Limits

this is off the top of my head, and what i've heard. Opposed to LA which was a giant leap from the mediocre 1983 (and tbh flylo seems to be headed back into mediocrity judging by the new tracks, still - early days)

everyone i know who like dubstep also like wonky and that lot. I just can't get into it, at all.

(personal opinion ofc)

[tweeds]

textures, man, for me it's all about the textures. listen to flylo, prefuse, and i hear orchestras. listen to digital mystikz and i hear the fuzz on the bass playing off, against and subverting all the dub grooves. really don't care who does it better - there's something to learn from people on different sides of the world.

[tweeds]

basically, fabric is going to be kicking off tomorrow night, and it will be good

[broken_dubz]

k well, dubstep is more about the 12s, but even so:

The Bug - London Zoo (by far better than both burial albums)
ital tek - Cyclical
Martyn - Great Lengths
Clubroot - Clubroot
Falty DL - Love is a Liability
Neil Landstrumm - Bambaataa Eats His Breakfast / Lord For £39
Silkie - City Limits
(personal opinion ofc)

apart from the bug and clubroot (which i havent heard) i found most of these releases mediocre at best. I heard good things about the bug, so will check it out.

its just coming down to personal opinion right now. I find myself gravitating more towards rap and hip hop these days anyway, hence the appeal of 'dillastep' to me lol.

moving to london in a couple of months, so hopefully i'll be able to hear this shit as its intended to be heard instead of on headphones/at home

[Magnetic]

they're not AAA albums by any stretch, but if you're using 1983 as an example, these are at least better.

and cyclical is amazing, standard.

[tweeds]

how can anyone hate :confused:
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[Analog]

and cyclical is amazing, standard.
   

[a2b489]

basically, fabric is going to be kicking off tomorrow night, and it will be good

man, the things i would do to be in attendance...

[domdomdomdom]

waiting for you? and pembroke. also the second half of buzzard & kestral

i dunno i like that slow sounding shit

[shea butter]

Dom, what the hell are you doing in this god-forsaking topic?

[panicnation]

hence the appeal of 'dillastep' to me lol.


please educate me on dillastep...i am intrigued.

[domdomdomdom]

Dom, what the hell are you doing in this god-forsaking topic?
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[ROYALEFATALE]

recorded some shitty bedroom DJing: http://soundcloud.com/royalefatale/lowlows-mix-3-10

ps. this isn't the slow/put you to sleep-type dubstep, nothing but filthy/heavy wobbles

[broken_dubz]

please educate me on dillastep...i am intrigued.

FlyLo, samiyam, dabyre, dibia$e and all of the shit coming from the west coast/low end theory scene.

Ok fine so dilla started what these guys are continuing but i dont think dilla would have done half the next shit these guys are on.

maybe if we namedrop it enough around the internet there will be forums that start dedicated to dillastep.

[a2b489]

^ dude, i always wanted to try doing that with a genre name, like engineer one to become relevant. lol, but i only post on sufu

[domdomdomdom]

What about guys like hud mo and mike slott

[broken_dubz]

What about guys like hud mo and mike slott

overnight sounds like a swizz beats joint on mdma. the mix on his essential mix with twista was fire. I couldn't dig butter tho.

haven't really heard much mike slott.

[nuNRG]

Dillastep... I like that. Maybe it will catch on like chillwave. Its hard to talk about the LA scene without calling it the LA scene, since it doesn't really have a name.

[tweeds]

did i mention Nosaj THing was on fire at fabric?

Nosaj Thing is on fire. going to see him on thursday night again

[tweeds]

also, one appreciates the subtlety of a Flylo set much better after a banging Daedelus one. not so hot on the latter but coming off of that some really deep subby grooveness was perfect.

[jack napier]

saw daedelus & nosaj thing a week or two ago
nosaj definitely killed it, but you know, daedelus is the wizard

[nuNRG]

Daedelus and Nosaj definitely tear shit up live. I still need to see Flylo but he hasn't hit LA in awhile. Hopefully there will be an album release party or something.

All 3 of these dudes and their contemporaries perform some of the most interesting live shows I've ever seen, it's as live as it gets.

[chingon]

I come in the grime / dubstep thread and people are talking about flying lotus and daedelus?

last time I saw daedelus he was on some previous level ableton midi-trigger shit with some crazy(nerdy) thrift tux+tails on. when I think grime I think wiley some shit, when I think dubstep I think burial (at the least), not some white dude from the OC (or the valley?!!)

c'mon now

[jack napier]

yeah let's get bent outta shape about this

[Magnetic]

need more grime, especially

[tweeds]

I come in the grime / dubstep thread and people are talking about flying lotus and daedelus?

last time I saw daedelus he was on some previous level ableton midi-trigger shit with some crazy(nerdy) thrift tux+tails on. when I think grime I think wiley some shit, when I think dubstep I think burial (at the least), not some white dude from the OC (or the valley?!!)

c'mon now

an' i can only play irish fiddle if im focking irish

edit: Magnetic on that grimey note you ever been to one of dmz's nights at the Mass?

[Magnetic]

i haven't unfortunately, gonna hit up some spots in my enyce tracksuit now that i've got too much free time on me hands.

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future garage yeah?

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so let it raaaaaaaaaaaaaain
let it poooour awaay
we won't come dooooooown

(prefer the orginal, still :x)

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first tune on this video, 'Backfoot'. Make you wanna dance n'ting.

*ah, this is available for free, however you can still donate money and it'll go to a good cause (Dove House Hospice in Hull, UK.). Good music and helping out, why not?
http://label.bassmusicblog.com/

[merzbot]

http://ra3.residentadvisor.net/audio/RA198_100315_Scuba-SCB_residentadvisor.net.mp3
brap brap brap

[nuNRG]

When the hell is Flylo coming back to LA? There's finally another Brainfeeder Session coming up this week but the lineup is underwhelmingly just their B team.